The mission of This Over That is to help individuals and organizations achieve what matters most to them by creating mechanisms in their daily practice to turn intention, possibility and opportunity into meaningful action.


Hi, I'm Kelly Jo. I am a creative strategy consultant and experience designer.  My work focuses on what the future could be like for services, experiences, and behaviors. I work with organizations, communities, and individuals. 

I love big messy systems and a good dose of uncertainty. If you are looking to take a big step, or leap, into the unknown I’d love to come along and provide clarity and guidance. Contact me at: thisoverthat@gmail.com